AAMC Debt Fact Card #2

True to form of our current medical education fad, a flash card/table was made by AAMC for the topic (aspiring) doctors are least educated on: student debt.

This series of 2 posts utilize AAMC’s debt fact card to emphasize a few points for those entering medical school, graduating from medical school, training in residency/fellowship, and at last working as attending physicians. This second post is for residents/fellow and attendings.

  • PGY’s

Quoting from my 7 year old’s favorite Disney Frozen song,  “the past is in the past.” As freshly minted med school grads, most of you now have a student loan balance of 246-286k from public schools; 339-359k from private schools.

Increase your income/net worth:

  1. find creative ways to  make money and take a break from doctoring: I recently stumbled on the PennyHoarder. lots of great ideas of making/growing your money.
  2. i still tutor, sometimes i make more in a few hours tutoring than in a whole week as a lowly pgy1
  3. moonlight! moonlight away! but do you cost/benefit analysis on your own (insurance cost, time away from loved ones or potentially time away from learning) although frequently moonlighting gives you more practice/more volume to get better in your medical field of training
  4. prioritize your cash flow allotment towards the greatest return based on your personal risk tolerance (ie. I paid off all my student before maxing out my ROTH accounts because i prefer the guaranteed saving of 6.8%  over the LONG TERM potential gain of 8-10% in stock market)

Minimize your debt burden:

  1. credit card interest free purchases and balance transfers @ 0-3% interest
  2. refi your house to pay our student loan down
  3. borrow from IRS (if you do have a side income as an independent contractor). under safe-harbor law, you can just pay the estimated amount of taxes based on prior year and borrow the rest of your (higher) income this current year interest-free UNTIL 4/15.
  4. personal loans. this likely will be much lower interest than 6.8%. offer your family/friend guaranteed 3% interest/return (win-win for you and them)
  5. refi your student loans (part or all depending on what you qualify for) to slightly lower rate (pro is it will save you 1000’s of dollars over the span of your loan and you can still get tax deduction on student loan interest after refi; con is you CAN NOT go for federal loan forgiveness after private refi)
  6. be cautious with planning for loan forgiveness.
  • 40% of doctors PLAN to enter loan forgiveness. 43% of these same people have >200k graduating debt compounding at 6.8+% making minimum payments based on PAYE. These debts all grow out of control during residency with the pgys hoping for forgiveness in 10-20 years by the tax payers.
  • How sustainable do you think PSLF is given that our government is financially insolvent as is?
  • Also, what does it tell you that the first class getting PSLF in 2017 has not even gotten a clue what the final forgiveness application will look like?
  • How likely you can get a non-profit employee position (independent contractors to a non profit do not qualify for PSLF), when 40% of your peers are competing for the same positions?
  • Congress attempted though failed (thankfully) to cap forgiveness at 57k last year (this wouldn’t even pay for the interest accrued on your loan prior to becoming an attending).

 

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  • Attending Doctors

You are where everyone has aspired to be. You are in a marvelous position to build a high net worth. Like WCI often says, you just need to translate your high income to a high net worth!

 

  1. Live like a resident for as long as you can (hopefully you didn’t live like an attending prior to becoming one.)
  2. Optimize your credit score to get the best rate on your student loan refi/major purchases (like a house)
  3. Max out retirement funds and find more space to save efficiently (tax-wise.)
  4. Pay for financial education and manage your own money instead of paying someone else to manage your money. If you just dedicate 3% of your massive brain CPU to your personal finances, you’d be a millionaire easily.
  5. read this post specific for attending physicians 

 

  • Are you going for PSLF? Why or why not?
  • Anything else that made you debt-free or wealthy sooner than you would have otherwise?
  • What asset allocation do you employ for your training vs. attending years?

Comment below!

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AAMC Debt Fact Card #1

 

True to form of our current medical education fad, a flash card/table was made by AAMC for the topic (aspiring) doctors are least educated about: student debt.

This series of 2 posts utilize AAMC’s debt fact card to emphasize few points for those entering medical school, graduating from medical school, training in residency/fellowship, and at last working as attending physicians. This first post is for pre-med and med students.

  • Pre-med:

Be aware of the price tag. A medical doctor’s degree will cost you 226k in public schools; 299k in private schools. This price grossly under-estimates the TRUE costs to you because this does NOT include the 6.8+ % interest that starts accruing day ONE of your medical school and accumulates into 40-60k over the span of medical school. If you take out your student loan at the beginning of each semester as your Financial Aid Office suggests, expect your degree to cost 246-286k in public schools; 339-359k in private schools.

Best medicine is prevention. You are in the best position to minimize student debt.

Seriously consider ways to cut your COA (cost of attendance):

  1. given comparably decent education, choose low COL (cost of living) cities to attend medical school
  2. chose cheaper schools
  3. live at home! (no shame to this)
  4. explore options of lower interest loans/scholarships

 

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  • Med student:

You are in whatever school and city you are in. Not much can be done with your COA at this point.

As it turned out, I chose a very expensive medical school in a very high COL area. In hindsight, I would have chosen a lower COL area, maxed out my retirement accounts and bought a house during med school.

But point is if I can pay off my student loans in less than 1 year of graduating med school (vs. many of my cohort have 400k and growing student loan balance), there are many ways to minimize if not pay off your debt aggressively.

Seriously consider ways to make SOME income:

  1. pick up a work study job at your school library/research lab (get paid to study and pursue your academic interest). if you finish working your allotted award hours early in the semester, ask your financial aid office for more! at times, i worked upwards of 30-40 hours/week during med school.
  2. if you have a family and are the only bread-winner (this was my case), apply for government assistance. (there is no shame in that).
  3. apply for scholarships. write an essay for 500 bucks… etc. if you write it on a topic you love and spend about 10 hours, let’s an hourly return of 50 bucks!
  4. tutor. no better way to combine 3 awesome tasks: help others, enhance your knowledge, and pay some bills
  5. find creative ways to  make money and take a break from studying: I recently stumbled on the PennyHoarder. lots of great ideas of making/growing your money.

Explore loans with lower interest rate than the 6.8+% at your fingertip:

  1. credit cards (you can read all about how i saved on interest, made extra cash using credit cards to pay for my COA in the smart credit section)
  2. reif your house (if you have one) it is a WAY cheaper loan than government, let alone private, student loans
  3. borrow from IRS (if you do have a side income as an independent contractor). under safe-harbor law, you can just pay the estimated amount of taxes based on prior year and borrow the rest of your (higher) income this current year interest free UNTIL 4/15.
  4. personal loans. family members may be willing to lend you interest free or lower interest loans
  5. most importantly, DELAY taking out student loans as much as possible. 

MS3/4:

  1. Be cost economic with your audition rotations and residency interview strategies.
  2. This is your renewed chance to choose the COL of where you train/live for the next 3-10 years… apply the lessons you learned in med school now.
  3. During residency interviews, ask about moonlighting opportunities.

 

 

  • how do you make income during pre med years?
  • what’s a good side job/income source in med school?
  • is there a hidden jam of a med school in low COL cities?
  • any experience with a personal loan or credit card balance transfers? pros and cons?

Comment below!

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Best of Both Worlds: How to Truly Maximize Your Roth Funds

My mentor WCI, recently wrote a post “9 Ways to Expend Your Roth Space.” The link will lead you to his website/article.

His advice regarding finances has always been fantastic, but I see a unsolved dilemma facing most people. IE, when you make little (like I do right now in training), you have the BEST tax bracket of your life to be putting away POST-TAX money into your ROTH accounts. This money can grow tax-FREE for the remainder of your life… and when inherited by your offspring, can continue to grow tax-FREE with mandatory distribution based on THEIR (younger) age. This means, with the low taxes you pay NOW, your money gets to grow for 3-4 decades in your life time before you need to take any out (and it’s tax-free withdrawal). Then when your heir inherit this account upon your death, the same money gets to grow tax-FREE for another 3-4 decades of their life… Imagine the power of time value on a long term investment with average market performance of 8-10% annual grow, again tax-FREE!

As you salivate to this amazing deal, you also realize, you have too little income and too much debt to be putting away much in ROTH in your lower income (lower tax bracket) years.

Then, you get to your light at the end of the tunnel, where your income jumps from 50k to 250k. Wow, now you are in the position to build great net worth from your great income. Your goals are to minimize paying high interests (ie. student loans at 7% after consolidation), to maximize retirement savings, and of course to live a little. But your high income comes with a very high tax burden as well. Putting money away in POST-TAX accounts (including mega backdoor ROTH IRA, regular backdoor ROTH IRA) costs you lots more now because your tax bracket is much higher… So frequently at this point, most people choose tax-Deferred accounts instead of post-tax ones. This is because they believe that in retirement, when they actually withdraw this tax-deferred money,  they will be in a lower tax bracket than that of their peak earning years. So they DEFER the taxes until withdrawal in retirement and pay taxes on the original fund and its growth over the last several decades based on their retirement tax bracket.

 

Would you like to have a LARGE tax-FREE (ROTH) retirement fund 

@ the lowest possible cost to you (ie. taxes paid)?

 

I’d like to propose 3 ways to combine the best of both worlds. So you can maximize your ROTH fund with paying minimal taxes in your life span. This is based on the assumption that you have little income in training, much income in peak earning years, then somewhere in the middle income during retirement years.

  • Credit cards:

How can you stow away 23.5k of ROTH money while on a 51k income? If I can do this with a family to support, anyone can.

Charge all your living expenses, except those NON-chargeable items (ie. mortgage), on your interest-free credit card. Many cards offer 18 months interest free purchases AND cash back rewards with your spending. So technically, this is borrowing @ NEGATIVE interest.

Credit card companies are INCENTIVIZING your borrowing their money to max your ROTH accounts.

Number wise, you will be making 8-10% average annual tax-free gain (long term) in your ROTH account,  while you also make 1-6% ofnthe money you borrow from credit cards during the first 18 months.

Yes, when 18 months is up, the credit card company hopes and prays that your balance stays with them so they can now make money on you @ 13-20% interest rate. But all you need to do at this point is to balance transfer to another credit card that offers you 3% transaction fee/0% for 18 months; which translates to 2% effective annual interest.

So you bought yourself 36 months of tax-free growth in your ROTH space that you will never have access to again (because when you are making too much compared to now, your tax bracket is much higher than your current tax bracket. then, it often doesn’t make sense to make ROTH contribution, back door or front door, until you max out all your tax-deferred accounts.)

Bottom line: No Brainer Math. 

The effective interest rate of the money you borrow from credit card companies over 3 years would be 1% (lower than 1% if you count the 100’s of dollars you made from cash back rewards), while your ROTH funds grow at an average 8-10%.

  • IRS

Same deal with IRS. While IRS does not incentivize you borrowing money from them, it is interest free until April 15th, tax day. A dentist paid off his student loans during his first year practicing by borrowing from IRS. He simply hold off paying taxes on his income until he had too (legally), while he applies his entire monthly gross income to his high interest student loan. Then made sure to save up a bit before April 15th so he can pay his taxes on time. So uncle Sam lent him interest free money to pay off his high interest student loan as long as he satisfy his duty by the deadline. This is what I plan to do to pay off my first home a few months prior to my adjustable mortgage rate increases. Tho not as much is saved or made when IRS lends us money, it’s still a pretty cool idea.

Alternatively, you can use a balance transfer check to pay uncle Sam on April 15th. Again, this will buy you another 18 months @ effective 2% annual interest rate.

Bottom line: No Brainer Math.

Though this requires a little more work and gets you a little less rewards than credit card companies. It’s still interest free money for up to 16 months. 

  • Other Sources of Low-interest or interest-free money

Share your idea of maxing your ROTH space in your lowest earning/lowest tax bracket years with your loved ones. They often jump on board to lend you so money to do this because they see the math as well.  Being better established than you, they face the same challenge of maximizing their ROTH because they are in higher tax bracket.

One of my very blessed family member has this going for her. She makes 30k a year, but max out her ROTH at 23.5k. How? Because her mother sees that this is the best legacy funds she can leave her daughter with for years and years to come.

 

  • Are you maxing out all ROTH space available to you?
  • How do you max out your ROTH in your lifetime lowest income years?
  • Which method above will you try? Why and why not?

Comment below!

 

 

DWM meets WCI (in person)

Dr. James M. Dahle, MD, FACEP, Editor of The White Coat Investor is my mentor in all things financial.
Dr. James M. Dahle, MD, FACEP, Editor of The White Coat Investor, is my mentor in all things financial.

WCI (White Coat Investor) gave a lecture at our associated medical school today, geared towards residents and fellows.

One very important question he asked the audience was along the line of

“what percentage of your income do you plan to build your wealth with during your first few years of attending-hood?”

I have laid out my plan below.

You are welcome to join my dream of building net-worth. I often find goals and dreams (realistic ones) keep me motivated to go through the challenges on a daily basis.

An average radiologist makes 400k/yr in my state. Those who work for VA hospitals make about 290-310k; those who work for the university hospital/academic radiologists make about 300k/yr. The lowest starting salary of a radiologist I heard in 2014 is 250k in my state.

I like to be conservative, so I’ll say that my first attending annual income fresh out of fellowship training in 2020 July will be 250k.

Here’s my take home pay table: for 250k annual income:

Salary and Tax Illustration
Yearly Monthly 4 Weekly 2 Weekly Weekly Daily Hourly %
Gross Pay 250,000.00 20,833.33 19,230.77 9,615.38 4,807.69 961.54 129.07
Tax Deferred Retirement 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cafeteria/other pre-tax 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Circumstance Exemptions 17,250.00 1,437.50 1,326.92 663.46 331.73 66.35 8.91
Taxable Income 232,750.00 19,395.83 17,903.85 8,951.92 4,475.96 895.19 120.16
Federal Income Tax 56,749.50 4,729.13 4,365.35 2,182.67 1,091.34 218.27 29.3 22.70%
State Income Tax 9,886.74 823.89 760.52 380.26 190.13 38.03 5.1 3.95%
Social Security 7,347.00 612.25 565.15 282.58 141.29 28.26 3.79 2.94%
Medicare 3,625.00 302.08 278.85 139.42 69.71 13.94 1.87 1.45%
Take Home Pay 172,391.76 14,365.98 13,260.90 6,630.45 3,315.23 663.05 89 68.96%

Most of my expenses will stay the same, a few areas I will increase/add spending includes:

  1. Mini Wise Money’s education: possible private school, with tuition of 2k/mo
  2. Mini’s extra-curricular monthly budget will increase to 0.5k/mo
  3. I will start paying my personal debtor(s) back at 1k/mo
  4. Household food allowance will increase to 0.6k/mo
  5. home/car maintenance will become more reasonable @ total 150/mo (we already have brand new roof and new ac in 2014, no other major items to replace)
  6. i will allow myself and my partner each a personal allowances of 150/mo (I currently have none, lol)

With these “GENEROUS” new/increased categorical spending, our total household spending will be 7k/mo. My monthly take home pay will be twice our monthly household expenses.

This means, I can save 50% of my take home income. How exciting!

With 84k POST-TAX dollars to put away my first year out of medical training, my priorities will be:

  1. Pre-tax/ Tax-deferred retirement accounts from my radiologist group (as a W2 employee). As this will be pre-tax savings, I will be able to put away more than I would with post-tax savings. I may even get company match; my current hospital offers 4% pre-tax match.
  2. Possibly my business/self employment individual pre-tax 401
  3. Back door ROTH IRA for my partner and me
  4. 529 college funds for Mini
  5. CD/stocks to save towards down payments for a 2nd/3rd home for my parents/Nana

Jim (WCI) said the secret to becoming a millionaire doctor is to “LIVE LIKE A RESIDENT!” I plan to live more like a resident than an attending for as long as possible. I’m not depriving my family either, my projected budget for 2020 already allows for 40% increase in spending.

I plan to save aggressively, at least until Mini goes to college, which is 5 years after I become an attending radiologist. Then, I will scale back my saving rate to close to 20%… and live a little MORE.

For example, I plan that our first MAJOR family vacation will be to celebrate Mini’s high school graduation in 2025:)

  • What is your saving rate as a resident?
  • What is/will be your saving rate as an attending?
  • How many years do you plan to live as a resident on an attending’s income?

Comment below!

In My Near future, PGY2…

Intern year is on a count down!

I have 10 weeks of internal medicine wards left, after which I will be starting my dream specialty: radiology.

I recently had a 1 week elective rotation in radiology. A couple  pgy3 radiology residents gave me wonderful advice and insights into my exciting future.

 

Perks of My Residency Program

  • Our radiology residency program has lots of research opportunities. Dr. Kalb, section chief of Body/MRI, has many research projects. Dr. Kuo in Nucs, too. These and mammography are 3 of the radiology sub-specialties that most interest me right now.
  • Our program will support residents up to $1000/trip for oral presentations of our original research. I’m looking forward to combining a family trip with presenting an original lecture at one of the radiology conferences!
  • Residents may request 4 wks of research time per year; highly productive residents have gotten 2 months of scheduled research during 4th year. (contact chief at end of pgy2 to request pgy3 research time.)
  • We are awarded $1000/year book fund to pay for radiology society dues and books. (E anatomy $60/yr is a good investment.)
  • Rad primer (boards question bank), Stat Dx are free to residents for boards prep.
  • A R4 (pgy5) has the option to do a year long Nuc/Pet fellowship. So I can technically get 2 fellowships by the end of pgy6. I like the combination of Nuc/Pet with mammography or Nuc/Pet with Body/MRI.
  • Ample opportunity to moonlight and boost income. (Fantastic to have, but may change and/or disappear.)

 

 

Timeline/goals of radiology residency

  • R1/pgy2:

Prepare for night calls during R2. Publish case reports on PubMed. By Dec., start working on original research project. By April, submit research articles/lectures for oral presentations. *request mammo rotation to be in early R2 if i want to apply for mammography fellowship. weekend calls rotation among my class, likely q9 weeks,  8am-4pm. join the rotation of baby-sitting scanner (contrast reaction) in evenings for additional income.

  • R2/pgy3:

Early in the year, give oral presentations at major radiology conferences. Survive and learn lots on call. March, start fellowship applications.

  • R3/pgy4:

Aug/Sept fellowship interviews. Mar-Jun study for boards. End of R3, take radiology boards. Moonlighting, tele-radiology 12 hour call or 24 hour weekend/holiday call.

  • R4/pgy5:

Nuc/Pet fellowship or a couple mini fellowships. Moonlighting, tele-radiology 12 hour call or 24 hour weekend/holiday call.

  • Fellowship/pgy6:

MRI Body fellowship or Mammography fellowship.

 

  • Are you excited about pgy2 or (your next year of training/career)?
  • What benefits does your residency offer?
  • What are your moonlighting opportunities like?

 

Comment below!